Le mensonge en islam

Etude de l'islam via les hadiths et le coran
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Le mensonge en islam

Nouveau messagede Morpheus » 21 Déc 2010 03

Le coran

Sourate 3 : La famille d'Imran (Al-Imran)
28. Que les croyants ne prennent pas, pour alliés, des infidèles, au lieu de croyants. Quiconque le fait contredit la religion de Dieu, à moins que vous ne cherchiez à vous protéger d'eux. Dieu vous met en garde à l'égard de Lui-même. Et c'est à Dieu le retour.


Allah interdit de s allier avec des non musulmans SAUF si c est pour se proteger d eux, notemment si les musulmans se sentent en situation de faiblesse par rapport aux non musulmans.

autrement dit Allah autorise ses fideles a mentir aux non musulmans afin de proteger leur vie ou leurs interets !

Sourate 16
106. Quiconque a renié Allah après avoir cru... - sauf celui qui y a été contraint alors que son coeur demeure plein de la sérénité de la foi - mais ceux qui ouvrent délibérément leur coeur à la mécréance, ceux-là ont sur eux une colère d'Allah et ils ont un châtiment terrible.


un autre exemple de dissimulation de la foi musulmane....

Les hadiths

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "War is deceit."


La guerre (contre les non musulmans) est tromperie.

Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857:
Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:

That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."


Mahomet a dit, celui qui fait la paix entre les gens en inventant de bonnes idees, n est pas un menteur

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64:
Narrated 'Ali:

Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."


On peut mentir a son ennemi, autrement dit on peut mentir aux juifs, chretiens... ennemis d Allah et donc perpetuels ennemi des musulmans ! pas seulement en cas de guerre

Book 032, Number 6303:
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).


Le menonge est autorisre dans 3 cas seulement - Contre l ennemi, la reconsiliation entre des gens et entre le mari et sa femme !


Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."



Je resume, il s agit du meurtre d un poete Ka'b bin al-Ashraf. son assassin avec l accord de son prophete a menti en pretendant qu il s etait tourner contre Muhammad, et ce afin de gagner la confiance du poete. Finalement le disciple de Muhammad le tua !
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Re: Le mensonge en islam

Nouveau messagede Tsebaoth » 21 Déc 2010 06

Oui, l'islam a même inventé le concept de "mensonge pieux" la taqqiya.
J'ai relevé une citation d'un musulman rapporté par Point de Bascule :

«Nous leur sourions par devant, mais par derrière, nous les maudissons..»


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Les naïfs feraient bien de méditer la portée de cette phrase...

Il existe un autre principe de dissimulation encore plus subtil dans l'islam la tawriyah, qui correspond à une ambiguïté volontaire, ce serai la forme de mensonge pieux la plus noble. x08
Voir à ce sujet sur Riposte laïque l'article de Radu Stoenescu :

Tariq Ramadan et le double discours
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